Hey, this might sound dumb, crazy, and dangerous, but here me out.
I read on this site that there is a way you can open a portal to the underworld and go in. I might want to do this (I do not worship Satin, I just want to see what it looks like) and I would like to hear some of your impute before I go and do this.
Well there is probably no physical steps leading to the underworld. How do you expect the underworld to look like?
I can imagine that you can visit the underworld in a dreamstate.
In dreams, anything is possible. Do you belive in heaven and hell?
I belive the underworld is on a spiritual plane. Its like a state when the spirit is stifled by his own (evil) deeds. Maybe its something the spirit cant get over, and dont want to go into the light.
Then there is a "real" underground, where gangsters, prostitutes,junkies and criminals live.
If you want to see unfotunate spirits and demons you just go into a meditative/dream state. Or you can visit a haunted place.
I kind of think Hell is a place where spirits and demons (and if Satin is real, he is there to) all run around and do things. Also, can demons come to our world, because if so, I would really like to see one.
Sorry but do you mean satan? who is satin? :)
I belive in demons. But I can only see them in my third eye. I can feel when a dark spirit is near me, and then I see something that looks like a demon with horns. Every time I get a vision, I get tierd and have to sit down or take a deep breath.
My Visions looks like an informative fantasymovie, with fantasy figuers and a lot of crazy effects and colors. I know its not real, But at the same time I know that my sixth sence is trying to tell me something. I dont belive that spirits have real horns, horns is a symbol of status, victory and strength. The horns tells me if the demon is dominant in the "underworld" or if he is subordinate. Big horns means he stands high in the hierarchy. When I dream of the underworld, I see that there is a big world. I write down everything I see.
hell (and heaven) are not a part of our physical world, and therefore cannot be reached physically. However, I suppose it would be possible to visit either heaven or hell (or even purgatory, if you're so inclined) while you're dreaming. After all, theres several records of Saints doing it
Re: A portal to Hell By: WhiteRav3n / Knowledgeable
Post # 6 Jun 04, 2011
The sad effects of Christianity's influence on the minds of modern people...
Ok. A hell full of fire and brimstone ruled by a big red guy with horns holding a pitchfork (Devil/Satan/Shatan) is nonesense in paganism. The "underworld" is the land of the dead. Many cultures believed in one, however Greek influence popularized the idea throughout literature and much later movies/television. The Norse underworld is run by a woman named "Hel", and I'm sure it is no coincidence that it is one letter off from the english "Hell".
In very few cultures is the underworld a bad place. In fact it is the only place that the dead go in many beliefs. Even the Greeks at one point only had the underworld. Later on Homer incorporated the Elysian Fields for those who were virtuous and heroic.
In reality, if you take any mention of the "underworld" with an open mind, it is the etherial plane/spirit world that we can travel to astrally. No need for a spell to do that.
I understand that different traditions hold different beliefs about what the after life is like. However, as I am Catholic, I was simply presenting my CATHOLIC view of the afterlife, and am in no way attempting to take away from the pagan. And yes, as I am aware of it, the modern English "hell" is taken from the name of the norse goddess, as an attempt by early Catholics to convert more pagans to the faith
Re: A portal to Hell By: WhiteRav3n / Knowledgeable
Post # 8 Jun 04, 2011
I'm sorry Arabus. I didn't mean to offend you. I actually agreed with your post. I'm trying to correct the misunderstanding of No Name's belief that the underworld is hell.
Re: A portal to Hell By: WhiteRav3n / Knowledgeable
Post # 9 Jun 04, 2011
There are many places in the astral that can be considered "hell" or "heaven" where only the most vile or pure souls reside. However, from my observations of the spirit world "hell" can be obtained anywhere. It's when people (physical and spiritual) are overwhelmed by the darkness of their souls or the guilt of their deeds. Evil consumes, and it is not kind to those that it does consume.
There are many ideas about what happens after death, I would guess it is the point of religion.
When I dream of the underworld I understand that there are laws and a ranking. Its a very complex nature. There are a certain kind of materia, there is light and darkness. The strongest spirits will survive in the astral plane. The weakest spirits are transformed into new energy and black materia. I dont belive that the soul is eternal. A piece of an airplane today may have been a man long ago. I think all people(and animals) will come to the underworld after death. There is much beauty in the underworld as well.
Depending on what you do in life, it will have consequences on the other side. I dont think the underworld is a hell, its a complex, a nature. And there are different levels in the underworld. If you succeed in the underworld, you can choose to be born again, or to proceed through the other dimensions.
Thats what I belive!