love spell

I think this conversations brings up some interesting points about magic:

1) Do spells back-fire, ie. money spells that end up killing a wealthy relative for the inheritance, etc.?

2) When should you use magic and when should you just rely on actions in the physical world, and

3) Love spells and how genuine they are, whether they act against the free will of the target, and other effects that fall under the back-fire category.

Spells back-firing: This has been talked about before. I think i posted something on the thread What Newbs Need to Know. Basically the idea of a spell back-firing is historically inaccurate. It only exists in Neo-Pagan Witchcraft magics usually couched as the Law of Three. This also includes an over-simplification of the laws of Karma, an Eastern religious dogma, manipulating it to be something instant: I do something bad and then immediately something bad will happen to me, etc.

No other magics have such dogmatic constructs. Folks have been cursing each other, doing coercive magic, love magic, etc., since the dawn of time. If there was such a back-lash, folks would have learned their lessons a long time ago and these types of spells would have gone by the wayside. This topic deserves its own thread, if anyone cares enough, so i'll leave it be.

The main points, though, are that, yes, you shold live by the Golden Rule, people should treat other with compassion and kindness, but do we really need some sort of dogmatic fear tactics (ie. The Law of Three or eternal damnation/salvation) to keep us on the straight and narrow? I know i don't.

You can search around on this forum for like two seconds and you can see for yourself the silly things people are using magic for. Magic will not solve all your problems. It will not miracle results while you sit around on your butt watching tv. If you believe this then you hae no business casting spells.

magic should not be a first line of defense. As it pertains to love magic, or any magic, you should really do the hard work before resorting to a spell. Improve yourself, go out in public, meet people, dump your crappy ex, move on emotionally, stop attracting the wrong people, stop making stupid choices, etc. Then use magic to give yourself a boost.

Yes, it's ideal to say don't resort to magic, but i've been involved in counseling people for long enough to know that it isn't always so cut and dry. There are MANY justified love spell workings, in my opinion.

The women who's completely dependant on her roving husband. She has small children, would be financially devestated on her own, has no family or friends to support her, and she wants to do magic to keep her generally kindly husband faithful and committed. Is this wrong, would you tell her to get a life, move on, and develop her own independance? Sure, that's the ideal, but it'll never happen. Maybe what's best for the family/the children is that this non-abusive but flirtatious man stays with them. I withhold my judgement and help her with her goals.

Or how about the chronically nerdy 35 year-old man, who's never been with a women, never been kissed, never had a girlfriend? He's suffering because of his lack in this department. Yes, he should learn social skills, etc., but in addition to his efforts on the physical should he not benefit from a magical boost?

How about a woman who was damaged emotionally from a bad divorce? She's done all the counseling, all the spiritual work, the healing. She now wants a new love but is a little scared and is looking for some spiritual work to help her iron out her intentions. Should she not do a love working?

These are just a few quick scenarios that are not all that uncommon. yes, there are a lot of juveniles out there using love magic foolishly, but guess what? It won't work. It's as simple as that.

Love spells will not turn the target into a mindless love-zombie.

Love spells will not turn a cold fish into Cassanova.

That's not how magic works any way. People give it too much credit. The true magical heavy-weights typically don't dabble with spells that are not justified. Your average highschool student who's obsessed with a boy is not going to turn him into her love slave - they're just not that skilled.

Love spells work on the love a person has in their heart to give. It will not change a person; at most it will just give you their best. Magic will not put a polish on a rotten, worm-eaten piece of wood.

Can you do harm with magic? Yes. Can you influence the will of another? Yes. It's just not as dramatic as the movies make it out to be until you're an adept - and that takes 10-20 years minimum.

Is your love spell going to back-fire and make your target an obsessive stalker? Only if your guy is a stalker to begin with. Is your love spell going to turn your target into a thoughtless love zombie? Only if the target was a spineless, thoughtless, weak-minded person to begin with.

So you want to do love magic? Work on your own heart first. Heal your own love issues, and then see how people flock to you. Work on your self-confidence - use magic if you wish. Enhance your personal magnetism. That should be your first magical line of offense. Then tinker with love spells.

-Julia

Bravo LdyGry!Nice speach! :)

Aw, thanks! (is it obvious i have too much time on my hands?)

Why post this here? post it as a spell in the spellbook.
You are free to do it if you want of course.

My post was to the OP.

LdyGry, you have said the true wisdom on this.
I always thought that those who warn against the law of three and say that love spells affect free will are showing how inept they really are with all this. And they are also forgetting that not everyone thinks that Wicca has the true answers. Maybe the OP doesn't believe in free will can be violated, maybe he is a thelemite, maybe just atheist, and until scientists prove that the law of three is a fact, a FACT, you have no business pushing it into throats of others.

Uh. Telling that feels awesome.

Maybe you cant see the law of 3,or Karma,or free will.You also cant see the air you breath,that doesnt mean its not there ,or that you dont need it to live.Im not talking about the wiccan rede,mainly because Im not wiccan,but almost every nation and tribe involved in magick for centuries,has felt that using Magick for selfish purposes, brought in return bad consequences to the user.I personally dont care wethere a person believes in the law of 3,4,5,or 6,...makes no difference to me at all.Dont believe in karma?Thats fine by me as well.What I dont like is people coming back crying and moaning when they do somthing selfish using magick,and end up having it blow in there face.If you want to do a love spell,and dont care about others warnings,by all means go ahead.If/when it doesnt go as you had planned.If it blows up in your face,or Karma bites you in the end,,just please take your medicine..QUIETLY

thanks ill try it.

A spell for love should be cast to bring a new lover to you...not a specific person, but someone who you have been looking for, Love spells work you just have to make the most of them. If you cast a love spell to make someone love you they will be unhappy and that is not what you want is it? Well I suppose if it is go for it. I'm not telling you not to try. By all means make your own mistakes, its the only way to live and to learn

A love spell should be cast to attract a new lover to you, never to force someone who doesn't love you into loving you.

i get so sick of ready about forcing ones will ALL magic is a forcre of will curse, binding, protection.....All magic is a force of something