Since the topic has come up, I thought it might be a good time to discuss the degree system in Wicca so that those who have not worked in a coven setting might have a better understanding of both the history of degrees and the process of earning a degree.
Let's start out by defining the term "Degree" as it is used in Wicca. Used in the manner in which it was envisioned when Wicca began, a Degree is a recognition by one's peers that a person has mastered a specific body of knowledge, that they have demonstrated ritual competence, and that they have demonstrated through the way that they live and through service to their community that they have attained a certain point in their spiritual journey that the group feels deserving of recognition.
When Wicca was created by Gerald Gardner, this definition of Wicca was used carefully to create, not a hierarchy where one is better than another, but rather a system where one could be able to know what to expect in terms of knowledge and competence in practice of anyone practicing Wicca by simply knowing what their Degree was. And in the Gardnerian Tradition, since all groups granted Degrees based on the same system, that was true then, and holds true pretty much today. In other words, if I meet someone who can legitimately claim to be a 2nd Degree Gardnerian, I would pretty well know what I could expect from them in a ritual setting.
One problem that has arisen since Wicca has strayed so far from its original roots, is that the Degree system has suffered from both a lack of understanding and from a watering down of what is expected of the Initiate earning the Degree.
In the Tradition in which I was trained, and in which I now lead my own coven, Degrees are always 'earned' through hard work and study..and through showing in the way one lives ones life that you have come to be deserving of recognition by your peers. You might like to take a look at the Student Program of our group on our website at http://www.tangledmoon.org/student_program.htm
On the other hand, there are groups out there who hand out Degrees based on how long someone has been in the group, on reading a book, even on who one is sleeping with. I remember one young man who came to us and felt that, based on his former group, he should be considered the same as one of our Third Degrees. But his program consisted solely of reading some books and taking a quiz on what he had read. He never had to actually 'DO' anything. He was not happy when we told him that we could not see that his Degree and our Degree were identical.
But this is why there is so much confusion over Degrees in the Wiccan community these days. There is no common standard by which to know how a Degree was earned or what it says about the person who claims it. And with the loss of value of a Degree, there has come the question as to whether a Degree system is merely a way of creating a hierarchy in which some are considered better than others. I can tell you in my group that having a Degree is NOT a case of being a better person or a better Witch than anyone else. What it does mean is that the person has shown the ability to do more work..and therefore we'll give them more work to do.
Because the Degree system is not clearly understood, and not well explained in most books that those just starting out on this path are apt to read, those who practice outside the coven setting often get confused about it. They feel that they either deserve a Degree through their own practice, or they feel that they won't be considered a 'real' Witch unless they have a Degree.
Neither of these concepts is valid. Taking the latter idea first...having a Degree does not make one a Witch, nor does it make one better than another just because you have a higher Degree. One receives a Degree (if done rightly) because you were showing that you were already deserving of recognition, because you were already living as our spiritual path teaches.
Secondly, if you are practicing as a solitary then Degrees are meaningless. As I have already described, a Degree represents recognition by ones peers of the mastery of a certain body of knowledge, generally that which is passed down in a particular Tradition. And a Degree is granted, not based on one's feeling that one should be given one, but based on the consideration of others of that Degree of higher. Face it, our egos often tell us that we are deserving of things that we are not. To grant oneself a Degree is to exhibit the crime of deluding oneself, of hubris.
Now some do this self-granting of Degrees out of lack of knowledge. But we also have those in the Wiccan community who do so in order to gain power, prestige, and followers. They do so in order to gain something for themselves, not to give back to the community. And those of us who do have Degrees which we worked hard to earn are on the lookout for the frauds. Not just because they are fakes, but because through their claims they cause harm to others. So if you encounter someone who claims a Degree, but whom you have some doubts about, it is never wrong to ask for credentials which can be verified. If they refuse, well then I personally would have nothing more to do with them.
The fact that you have the same kind knowledge of as a 1st Degree in a particular group does not confer any title or rank upon you at all. It is merely a statement that you are doing the same sort of things that their students do. But to try to claim that that means you can claim a degree for yourself would be the same thing as saying to a high school drop-out that they have learned the same thing as one who stays in school and can call yourself a graduate. That may well be true, but you aren't a high school graduate until you are tested by the administration and granted that degree. And you can't go to the admissions office at a college and claim to be a graduate based on self study..you have to have that piece of paper in hand. That's how a degree system works. The degree must be conferred by a coven or it is an empty claim.
If you'd like to see some of the sorts of requirements there might be in a real coven (as opposed to an on-line one) you're welcome to take a look at the requirements we had for each degree in my own coven of Tangled Moon. You can find them at http://www.tangledmoon.org/student_program.htm
So then which tradition is using the great rite as a token and which tradition is using it literaly? Fertility does not only pertain to humans in my opinion when it comes to wicca. And being such a young religion i beleive that things may be apt to change and adapt with the times. As needed. That is the only way a good religion can survive i think, as is evident with christianity. We as humans are constantly evolveing. And so are our beleifs. I for one am thankful of that or i would not even be able to sit here and have this conversation with you today. Not trying to change your opion, or argue with you. I feel this is legitimately something people should know about in order to keep my relgion seen positively in my life. As i am the one who has to defend it. And you are knowledgeable.
It is true that Wicca is about more than the fertility of humans, it is about the fertility of the Earth itself. That fertility is driven by the relationship between the God and the Goddess. So the Great Rite in which the God and Goddess are drawn down into the HP and HPS is vital to the continuing health and growth of all things. And that is true whether the Great Rite is done in actuality or in token.
Yep, Wicca is a new religion. That being said, there are some things which are absolutely central to Wiccan beliefs, and that includes the Great Rite in all its forms. If you start omitting these practices then what you have may be a valid spiritual practice, but it is no longer Wicca.
The only way to know for certain whether a particular Trad uses the Great Rite in token or in actuality is to ask the High Priest or High Priestess of the group that you are considering joining. And even then some groups will consider such information oath-bound. But even the oath-bound ones will let you know that if that is an issue for you you might want to seek elsewhere. I can tell you that Oak, Ash, and Thorn only did the Great Rite in token. In BTW covens if the Great Rite is done in actuality it is done by the HP and the HPS in private and generally in those cases the HP and HPS are already a committed couple.
Thank you lark. I defineatly agree with you. It should not be omitted in token as you said. I dont beleive that the hp and hps should have to be a couple, because not all wiccans are married to wiccans, therfore it would be predjudicial. How could one ever become priestess in a coven like that? And then there is the stigma of wicca being ultimately viewed as a cult because of the actual great rite. And in most areas is not kept secret due to the internet and the excitement that draws people simply for the prospect of sex, which is dangerous in any group. I beleive that it has been done in the past and will more than likely continue in the future, and i used to beleive it was okay with me, until it was pointed out to me that i was hurting others. By more than one person. Many people would say, pick a different path but is that really fair? Life isn't fair. As a wiccan i try to be, in and out of the magickal communitie.
Oh, don't misunderstand me. Not all Wiccan HPS and HP are married couples. My husband and I were when we ran Tangled Moon. But my current HP and HPS are neither married nor in a relationship. So it certainly isn't required in any Trad that I know of that the HPS and HP have to be a couple.
Great thread. Full of good information for new members and what to watch out for. Thank you for discussing as the online (on this site) coven I take care of is full of new young members that could be taken advataged of and that check list came help them possibly see the danger before they are harmed. I also wanted to thank Lark (not just for posting that link) but for the information on degrees as this seems to be a topic I get messaged about and though I know some (figured it was simular to say high school and the grade levels, meaning the concept of the more you know the higher the level), I did not have a full conception of it myself though until you explained it and also did not realize how far it had been diluted, being a solitary, that I would not want to pass on bad information.
Lark, i took a looked at the link. And i had to laugh becaus i have been trying to find this post from a few days ago called gods and godesses i think. I was trying to get an opinion on why i was seeing a black tree looking just like that by the way, when i was doing the ground and center excercise you posted last week. Lol. What a gift thank you. After that i saw a woman, the color of a green and purple beetle with that same shaped tree coming out of the top of her head with the north star behind her in the distance and slightly to the left. Maybe it was you! I am wondering if i may ask one more question though. How can one be expected to be taken seriously if our ritual is in token, if actual great rite covens find the act so important. I hope that made sense. Thank you for all your time and kindness.
