Also, I've seen the joyofsatan website, and it was all brought up by a single person, who is sharing a lot of things on the web that is not true and especially not fact-based.
Seriously harsh, but true. This is fake and falsh, no hereos were real, or human. No gods can be human, although they act closely alike. But you woukd be perpetual to think you could hecome a god. You can't!!
Re: Sharing My Beliefs By: WhiteRav3n / Knowledgeable
Post # 13 Dec 21, 2014
The OP has way too many culture clashes. There is eclectic and then there is mix and match to make a mess. This is the later. Joy of Satan is an absolutely terrible website with not only a hideous example of ritual magick but it also creates a collage of mythology so misconstrued that it fuels nothing more than the production of misinformed reverse Christians. Not to mention it supports violence and prejudice and is not a very good example of serious "Spiritual Satanists". In fact, I know quite a few that have nothing but unkind thoughts about the lies that group spreads.
My advice to the OP is that if he really wants to understand Satanism, he should learn from actual scholarly or academic sources. Even the Discovery and History channel have created fantastic documentaries that gather credible theories.
Although, I must admit, I am disappointed in the ones here that deny the ability to "become a god" or that "humans were not gods" are being rather disrespectful to the oldest religion, Hinduism, as well as their close cousins such as Buddhism and Taoism. I've also written (not that long ago) a full essay on how many gods in mythology were human, died, and are buried. Hero and ancestor worship built up many humans to "god-level" and made them legendary.
I have a serious problem with a lot of this satanic misinformation that is floating around. Enki is not Satan, Ahriman is not Satan, Iblis is not Satan, ect. ect. Same applies to the garbage everyone is reading about Hecate and her "infernal path". She is not Lilith, Naamah, Nahemoth, so on and so on.
When you look at the bare bones of these systems these Deities/entities are mere representations of the forces of chaos and order. I feel satanists make these associations so that they can take a more traditional approach towards the current of chaos. When people start creating hierarchies and start saying "so and so" is an aspect of "this or that" is when these systems start making less sense and start sounding like made up nonsense to me. The best thing to do in my opinion is quit taking some of this stuff so literal and call it what it really is, Chaos.
The more you dig, the more you'll uncover. Do some real research and look for stuff that is outside of the Michael Ford/S.Connolly train of thought on the subject matter.
If you really want to learn about real "Spiritual Satanism" I suggest studying the Qliphoth and making up your own opinions about Satanism from there.
Whomever wrote JoS spent five minutes with a book on ancient Egyptian mythology/religion/culture which was written for children at reading level 2. *picks up Gods, Priests, and Men by Aylward M. Blackman sitting next to self* This book has more information in one page than the totality of what that person read.
I've seen JoS' attempt at New Age eclectism to the extreme. I'm not impressed. It's ugly, haphazard, and it doesn't do anything for any of the religions it's appropriating.
Saying that, Kemeticism (in it's original form) accepted that humans could become netjeru (deities). However it wasn't easy, enjoyable, or otherwise something just anyone could do, and it was only after one died that this could truly occur. Originally it was only for the Nisut-bity (pharaoh), then for him and his family, then the nobles, then the merchants, then everyone. But it still isn't easily done, because the Duat is a dangerous place and no, we don't live there with the netjeru. We live in the sky/in Nut with the netjeru. The Duat is not the place in which the netjeru live unless they are "dead" (but alive!) or otherwise are a specific aspect of a netjer (deity) within the Duat.
Dead (but alive!) folks live in the Duat. Netjeru don't.
Not all Kemetics these days believe in it. I happen to be one of the folks who do. That's why I categorize myself as both Kemetic Orthodox and a Kemetic reconstructionalist, because unlike what is taught in Kemetic Orthodoxy, I believe in the ability for a person to become a netjer. But that's me.
Re: Sharing My Beliefs By: sunshinerain / Beginner
Post # 17 Dec 30, 2014
i hate to say it but everyone disagrees... its cool if thats what you believe, but its just not what "spiritual satanism" is... however if thats what you believe... thats fine. thank you for sharing
Being a previous and practicing Spiritual Luciferian of four and a half years, This just killed brain cells.
JoS = worst starting point.
Very little information, if any noticeable at all on that site, is true.
Satan is a term used to claim something evil, wrong.
Studying between the lines of the Christian bible, studying the philosophy of Luciferianism and not simply reading off of highly known websites that make the knowledgeable puke would be a good place to start at.
I believe it takes someone of a higher intelligence and interpretation to know and differentiate between reputable and down right terrible. No other sources, whatsoever except the worst you could find?
Don't jump right to the first website on Google, but at least attempt to find someone of adept knowledge on the subject first.. just so you know what to look for.
I will speak no more on the subject.
People believe whatever they want to, they do not hear the truth. People can worship whatever they think is a god, including each other, a supposed spirit or 'supernatural' being. To attempt to understand mankind is like trying to lead blind sheep.
