Ok, I honestly don't see why I'm even arguing with you if you think seals and sigils have the same use. The LBRP can be used to close a circle. What's wrong with that. Knocking on wood etc. Are common folk superstitions to counter bad luck. The author of the post was convinced that she was going to have bad luck so she did. To prevent that, she needs to be convinced that she can counter the bad luck. When did I tell teenagers to use enochian rituals? Everobe has Dufferent ways of doing things but this is my method for working with the goetia
Consecration of Circle
LBRP
Prayer from GKoS
BRH
Bornless Ritual
Declaration of Intent
Invocation of corresponding angel of the Shemhamphorash
Invocation of the king
Each conjuration three times
Welcom of the spirit
Conversation with the spirit
Charging/binding
License to depart
Prayer of thanks
LBRP
BRH
Closing of temple
Here are some of the seals taken from the Magic Squares - LUCIFER, URIEL, BELIAL, ASTAROT, now are those just random names grasped out of the sky????, no they are names that funnily enough appear in grimoires, now can you link the two together Perry or do you need an adult to explain?
Now what I'm saying is that the SQUARES and the SEALS both have the same function, they are used to contact the relevant demon/spirit, a telephone number if you like.
It doesn't mean because you have written a method that you actually have done it before, its lifted straight off the book, you seriously expect people to believe it based on that.
So yet again proved my point, no doubt you'll come back with some rubbish, but honestly I can teach you all this if you like, gain some knowledge.
Ok, once again, I feel I am wasting my time. I have all three vines of the abremelin grimoire right in front of me right now. I have just re read the second book. If I evoke a goetic demon, I wear the demons sigil around my neck as a lamen. That is not how I use the abremelin squares. I even have the book opened to the page about the squares in front of me. There are different instructions for using each square. The squares are actually more similar in nature to the pentacles from the GKoS. Ok, I'm flipping the book to the back after the Abremelin rite proper. Wow!!! It even says that you are to ask the demons for your squares and it even lists which demon to ask for which square!!! Ok, now that I've proved my point, prove yours by telling my how they are like sigils. Now, let's say one of the pentacles in the GKoS gas the name Tzabaoth in it. Does this mean that this us a sigil to summon Tzabaoth? No, because obviously, Tzabaoth is a name of Gid and you can't evoke god. The names in the pentacles are used to strike fear into the spirits. Those names on the squares Are probably for the same reason. Names of angels can be used to Coerce demons too.
" we conjure ye and we exorcise ye by the Angel ZECHIEL; by the Angel DUCHIEL; by the Angel DONACHIEL and by the Great Angel METATRON, Who is the Prince of the Angels, and introduceth the Souls before the Face of God; and by the Angel SANGARIEL, by whom the portals of Heaven are guarded; and by the Angel KERUB, who was made the Guardian of the Terrestrial Paradise, with a Sword of Flame, after the expulsion of Adam our forefather; and by the Angel MICHAEL by whom ye were hurled down from the Height of the THRONE into the Depth of the Lake and of the Abyss,"
My point is the seals & squares are the same in the sense they are a means of contact, like a phone number to get you through to the relevant spirit/demon. Really I can't put it any clearer than that, I'm sure even 9yr olds would grasp my point, as I've said it many times on this thread alone.
What you need to understand is the book you have is not an authority on the subject, its an opinion, thats what I said about which book are you talking about. There are other authors who have translated and cleaned up the text & squares, as the earlier books got misinterpreted, and lets face it the book you are reading is by someone born several hundred years after the system was first used.
That has nothing to do with what we are talking about, nothing in the slightest, your attempts at trying to look half intelligent on the subject are way off mark, really how old are you?
I used to be on that forum, look in on it time to time, I can tell you do as you copy & paste a lot of the information from there, or rewrite it.
I'm not even going to look at this thread again, seriously I will pass out from laughing at how pathetic your attempts are at explaining yourself. When your 18 I'll teach you about the Gkos if you like, until then try reading as much as you can.
I too have had enough of this thread. Every one has different opinians of things. Not to be rude or anything but I honestly believe that you are a child by the way you post. The reason I say this is because there was a guy on evocationmagic.com who we later found was only 12 and his posts are remarkably similar in style to yours. By the way, my children are almost in college. Either way, you are a very learned child and that, I have to say, is something worthy of respect.
Anyone attempting the Abramelin should be careful not to follow McGreggor Matter's translation. it reduces the duration of the works to 1/3 of the Duration and the seals are corrupted. No matter whether you believe it or not. The full manuscript is also unavailable in the Golden Dawn version.
The squares alone are bound to have some impact as the books instruct to keep them away from Children and Animals as they could have an obcessive or weird effect on them
Yes. I have used one of the squares for a small treasure. It worked immediately. Not ready to use any of the other squares. Need to work more with the book.
