If You had been reading my post carefully You would notice that for my statements I still provided somewhat of a proof ( just google and You will see ) and that I never affirmed it was possible, nor did I said it was not. I said I believe, consider, my opinion is etc.
And I can reply to You in Your same silly, overused phrase manner : Pics or it did happen. Show me any proof that this is impossible and I shall apologize and be silent, gladly.
All I will say is..if I came from a state that is known for not only loving to put people on death row, but executing them as quickly as possible...I wouldn't be announcing I murdered people in the name of some "war" between beings that arent recognized by the government.
May be able to claim insanity with these claims though.
As far as the original topic at hand. To physically transform into anything would require an insane amount of time and energy. Not to mention an understanding of both species down to the smallest partical of being, understanding how to transform organs without dying in the process, ect. Then of course you'd have to be able to endure the pain that comes with it. Forcing a bone to change shape and location doesn't seem like it would be painless, plausable or even sane.
I didn't see anything that could even remotely be considered "proof" of any kind. I see "so-and-so believes," "all these people believe," and "I believe." Belief is not proof. Christianity is a perfect example for that. It is the world's largest religion, a majority of the Earth's population believe it, but that alone does not prove the Christian religion is the only correct belief system.
Nevermore, that is one of several reasons why I say it is impossible. A majority of the people would not be able to manipulate the much energy, fewer understand the human body and the body of the animal that they would want to shape-shift to, and practically nobody would be able to go through that transformation without going into shock.
I said somewhat of proof. And how much is the information I provided accurate it is not on You to decide. Some parts of that are facts. Meaning despite Your all-knowing and all-powerful nature, they are as they are . Peter Stubs lived and was executed under accusation to be animegus. The great amount of people that not only believed but were assured ( some being atheistic, some agnostic ) that this man was just that what he was called out for. But my point was not proving this event as real or not.
Besides I shall repeat , as You seem to ignore that, You did not provide any sort, refardles how fable of proof that Your claim is right. Do the math, as it is quite simple.
Oh an another small ( free ) remark/advice , it is very rude to act the way You do and make change of thesis in Your speak/written work and bash a religion along the line.
I was not referring to the incident with Peter Stubs. What I'm requesting proof of is the possibility of a human(primate) somehow turning into a wolf(canine) or wolf-like creature. I'm not even asking for proof that it is practiced at all, simply that it is possible. I'm well aware of the possibilities that go beyond science, but scientifically, logically, and from everything else I have seen such an act would be impossible. Assuming I'm wrong, Nevermore has already explained other reasons why it would most likely be impossible. I see no reason to believe it is possible or play dumb to the facts that I do know.
I appreciate your comments about my knowledge and power, but I am neither all-knowing nor all-powerful.
And what religion did I bash? I only mentioned Christianity and that is speaking by statistics. Statistically speaking, Christianity is the world's largest religion. More people practice and believe in Christianity then any other religion. However, a number of people believing the same thing does not necessarily prove that it is true. I do not see how pointing out the obvious, and something that is a valid fact, is "bashing" a religion. If you would prefer one that does not include religion, we'll go back to the time before Christopher Columbus. Everyone "knew" that the world was flat, everyone believed it. Now jump back to the modern day, is the world flat? No. And a number of people, no matter how large, believing it was flat failed to make it so.
On the topic of Peter Stubs, nobody can prove that he was or was not capable of turning into a werewolf. Looking at other possibilities, he could have been an illusionist. It would be much easier to make people believe they saw something that is impossible then to actually commit the impossible. Another thing to look at is the education level of those who claimed to have seen it, obviously we already know they weren't as educated as most people in the modern day. It's possible that a furry costume, the ability to quickly put it on, and perhaps a tree or some other object to block the view for a moment were all that was required by Peter Stubs to "shapeshift." Conveniently, none of these theories can really be proven wrong.
Now that all that has been said, which claim to you want me to provide proof for? If it's an opinion you want proof for, that's really easy. My opinion is my opinion and I wouldn't be giving it if it weren't, so far as I'm concerned that should be proof enough. For my beliefs, just say which one you want a reasoning for and I'll give it. This particular topic has come up many times, so although you may think I have not explained myself, I have. Many times.
I was rereading the posts I decided it might be best to clarify something.
The definition of proof.
1a: The cogency of evidence that compels acceptance by the mind of a truth or a fact.
b: The process or an instance of establishing the validity of a statement especially by derivation from other statements in accordance with principles of reasoning.
2 obsolete: experience
3: Something that induces certainty or establishes validity.
4 archaic: the quality or state of having been tested or tried; especially: unyielding hardness
5: evidence operating to determine the finding or judgment of a tribunal.
6a plural proofs or proof: a copy (as of typeset text) made for examination or correction.
b: A test impression of an engraving, etching, or lithograph.
c: A coin that is struck from a highly polished die on a polished planchet, is not intended for circulation, and sometimes differs in metallic content from coins of identical design struck for circulation.
d: A test photographic print made from a negative.
7: A test applied to articles or substances to determine whether they are of standard or satisfactory quality.
So, when I say I would like to see proof I mean I want the topic I want proof on to be made a fact as opposed to a belief. Stories of people being killed for being werewolves/shape-shifters may be facts, and it did happen often, but since there is no proof that they really were werewolves or shape-shifters(the idea that they really shape-shifted is not a fact) that proves nothing. And at least to me, it means nothing. It's a sad way to die, but it has no impression on whether or not shapeshifting is a possibility.
I'm a Therian. And i've only shifted on the AP. But my sister knows another Therian Wolf who's shifted on the Physical Plane. I guess it's possible. Just very very difficult.
Well nice of You to post that up. As You can see now that You too were incorrect, as Your claim : It is not possible is not proof either and that was my whole point. You can not prove that is impossible nothing more than I that it is.
But Your earlier comments, such as "Picks or it did not happen" suggest that it is 100% impossible.
As for scientific aspect, it has yet to be done with mass larger than one milligram, but You can change morphology of substance without damaging it in any way , as long as done in certain amount of time , or with certain speed If You will. It has been done with cells even bacteria’s and they would remain functional afterwards. So from a scientific point of view If a human body molecules would change places by certain speed it could reform to another functional mass. Such a speed is unavailable to us, however theoretically it is possible.
I don’t care really, can someone shapeshift into wolf or wolf like creature, nor am I trying to prove that can be done. I just pointed out, and NOT BASED ON MY OPPINION, that there is valid possibility for that, and that in occultism the concept of shapeshifting is established and acknowledged as possible. Golden Dawn memebres for example never doubt it.
So my whole point was , and this goes beyond this particular topic that You have a very rude habit of claiming fact based on Your attitude , without any explanation or proof. That being said supports what I said about Your knowledge and power, but mind that pride devoured kingdoms and civilizations, surely it can be dangerous to a single human being. Unless You claim to be something else.
And for religion bashing, You said just because so many people believe it to be, does not make it the right way ( paraphrasing ). . Indeed I agree, but what makes something the right way has nothing to do with the number of followers of this particular idea, so no religion should be given as example of misguiding, because that is bashing. Even if we say maybe, religion is personal thing and as well as taste it is not discussed. Any subjective thing is.
I honestly did not mean to argue, or be disruptive in any way . If it seemed so I honestly apologize , I simply gave another perspective and stressed that something is neither proven nor disproved and as such it can be a subject of mere opinion, and in no way anyone can claim positively of same being real or not.
