Thank you to all people that understand what i was putting accross, to all who do not i must repeat you cannot put universal laws under the bracket of "mans' thinking its just too narrow. You are trying to put these things into molds they do not fit, again as suelearning said it is unwritten, but i can say so many people from since ancient times have layed the laws for us, yes we have free will but every action has an equal or opposite reaction, my post was to awaken people into the respect of energy and what it is, this is not "my law" i am simply a representation of a person who abides by such laws. The universe is not a control freak,nor does it hold bars on your hands restraining you, but the universe expects you maintain the balance for those that are simply hell bent they receive their "reward" which is simply a trial of learning. The universe teaches us many things although sometimes we fail to learn the lesson but again i must say the rate we are going now is certainly not appropriate, so why is so wrong to get back to the ways of our ancestors? These wise beings who were here before us and know much more than you do. (whether you like to believe it or not) Life for you would be much easier thus eliminating ignorance.
Getting one to believe in the "laws of magic" is not as easily done as many of you imply. Your words lead me to understand that if we just speak out and tell them what is real and what is not that those who are misinformed will see the error of their ways and become believers in the "true" ways of magic.
I have been watching the magic community for over 20 years now. I do not claim to be a expert however I have noticed trends in my studies. Groups of magical people are extremely egocentric and why shouldn't they be their religion leads them to believe that they "know the way". Religion is a scary thing when you combine it with magic. Magic is energy manipulation is has no religious affiliations. It is the caster that gives it a human construct of "good or bad". A law is very much a human construct as well. That is why I do not believe that magic has "laws" but more of guidelines.
I see what many call the law of three as the power of three. Instead of a hard and fast rule that what you put into the universe you get back three fold, I see that if you are educated and have justice, temperance, and the wheel on your side the power of three will protect you. This means that what you put out will come back but it depends greatly on different aspects. One creature's blessing is another creatures curse.
I do not believe in the "harm none" rule as well. The reason I can not is because I have to eat. I can't eat without harming a creature. I find that the best way to teach those who are uneducated in the ways of magic is to one, let them make their own mistakes and two, show them your way through your actions. It might not be the exact way for them but at least you have them exposed to it. Be the change you wish to see.
Good points!! However sometimes it is irresponsible to wait for people to make mistakes, yes it is easier to teach them then as they do listen better, but what if their actions are harmful to a person, or the environment? I am under no illusions that people will listen to complete strangers on a web site, but if some of this crazy stuff is not nipped in the bud then it just encourages even crazier stuff. As I said earlier, one can debate Karma, Law of Three, Justice, but I have found it to be fairly accurate, not always dramatically visable, but accurate. Everyone has their own experiences. Regarding the Harm None, I also do not suscribe, I have a shirt that reads, " Harm Some " and under those words it reads, " Serial killers , Rapists, Child Molesters, Witch Hunters, You Know Who You Are. " I had it made up for a Pagan festival and was swamped by people who wanted one, I had to get a copyright, and then sold a few for fun. A lot of Laws, Rules, Ethics, are now being debated throughout the Pagan World, as they are now on this site, I think it is healthy to do so. I don't have all the answers... not even close, but I do have opinions based on what I have seen, and continue to see and I hope to continue to give some people some food for thought. Rilke
I think that many forget that those who want to believe the things they do can only do lasting damage if you let them. There will always be those who clean up after others. I have been an environmentalist for longer than I have been practicing the craft. (One of the reasons I was drawn to it.) There will always be the negative and the positive aspects of things. Balance is another guideline of nature and the craft since it is connected to it. To make an impact we need both sides to be of equal proportion.
Instead of making threads about what is wrong go into the threads about that which you feel is misinformation and tell your thoughts on the subject. As long as you do it in a tactful way and follow site rules your side of the information will be there for the masses to make their personal decision about what they wish to believe.
THAT is what I try to do. If I see something and I think it is out of whack I will make a comment. Actually, it is what I do in my life. As A Wiccan priest I have seen all kinds of misinformation about Pagans and if I can, I will try to set people straight. However, I do think one can become overly cautious, so scared of upsetting the apple cart that nothing gets said, or done. We all believe in something, and we should all be able to defend our beliefs. I know Pagans that won't say anything about anything because they are afraid of criticism. We won't make any advancements that way, we need people to have some guts, and stand up. Rilke
That is what leaders are for. They are the ones who stand up and say what they believe. Those who stay silent are not leaders but followers. The magic community like all other groups has those who are motivated and those who are just along for the ride. I don't like organized religion or those who wish to teach their thoughts only. Magic theories will always be debated until the are proven. But you can not prove a theory you can only provide evidence to support it. Just like all creatures we evolve. Over time we change, grow, expand our horizon, etc. Those who are meant to evolve into serious magical practitioners will those who are not won't. Though we all have the ability to learn some lack the patience and effort invovled.
kts i do understand your points and to which i can agree but we can't be complacent, and the "harm none" rule is used in moderation, just look at animals, it is part of nature to kill to eat etc but they never overdo it, that is man's problem they don't care and go overboard and then try to justify their actions without even admitting they we wrong. Yes people need to make mistakes to learn but as rilke said we can't just sit and allow everyone to make mistakes how ever i do understand you point. But when we get down to the barebones of this topic we cannot lie to ourselves and say that our actions have no consequences.
Pure, people don't admit to being "wrong", because they don't think they did anything wrong. I don't know about you, but if I don't think I have done something that is wrong, I sure won't apologize for it nor will I admit to being wrong just to appease another.
It's just another example of "there is no right or wrong, there is just opinions".
Exactly good and bad are human constructs and each person has a different view/take on them. There are good and bad consequences to any action. Just like in physics their is always for every action an equal and opposite reaction, however the direction it takes has a magical aspect when you place it in the magical field. That reaction can take a strange journey if you can handle all the strings you need to weave together.
Perhaps I see to much, perhaps I see to little, or perhaps I am just another person who has a different opinion than the rest.
