I am done

I am interested in learning real magic. From what I have seen on the forums is all anybody does is argue and beat around the bush.

THANK YOU! finally somebody gets it! it's not fluffiness, it's TRUE magick!

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I'd like to point out that science and Magick are different facets of the same thing. Science's domain is the physical realm while Magick is rooted in the subtle realms. Each is connected, yes, but not entirely the same.

It's not science that limits peoples' views, it is the scientists that say things like Magick isn't real and even then, not all scientists believe in only the physical.

Well said,Eis.

Haha, do not try to force the flow of the river, do not try to cut water, do not try to contain air, and do not try to hold fire. Non of these will give freely to anyone without a fight. There are many people out there who have beautiful minds and can make anything posible in there heads. Thus trying to tell them whats posible or whats imposible is just plain useless. When one try to take someone out of their corse nomatter how imposible the corse is, its even more imposible to change their minds. So its just funny when threads like this shows up, about being angry or upset that people can't get things right. Well one thing I had learned is that once they are ready to know the truth they will open up to it, if they're not then nomatter what you do or say, nomatter how much proof you have they will still not belive you. Haha so why don't we just stand back and observe and learn from them. It could be fun.

Fun until some beginner takes his 'teachings' seriously and gets frustrated when it doesn't work and closes their mind indefinitely towards Magick. It's why we have a bad reputation among the mainstream.

I know there are some things we can't do. But that doesn't make it impossible. We are the astronauts, the rest of yoy closed minded people are the astronamers. Never reaching your dreams or goals because of fear and disbelief. Us astronauts have endangered ourselves and have proved the impossible to be possible. So do what you do, keep dreaming, but thats all you'll ever do.

We're not close minded and we definitely do not fear Magick. We get to our goals just fine and like any other person.

You can be a catalyst all you want, but when what you want to happen doesn't, what do you do? Realize there's more to life than flying or shooting fireballs.

y do people do that??it i just plain and outright weird to see this happening..practicers keeping to thmselvs what is not theirs to k3p...their just fools!!