Ethics of Magick

one should always have opinions, but I don't care if you put the consequences in this plane or some other magical plane, in all my years working magic, and working with others who seriously work magic, there are always consequences to ones actions. Always!! Rilke

Of course Rike but a consequence is not always a "bad" result from a "bad" action. Just like it is not always a "good" result for a "good" action. It all depends on your perspective of what is "good and bad". You might say that my actions or reasons for casting something magically are for the wrong reasons or the type of magic I am doing is the wrong type of magic however you are not the judge of an others practice. We all have different ideas of what is ethical. There are no right and wrong consequences. Like most things including myself they are neither because they just are.

The problem with thinking that your way is the right and only way is that for you it might be the way however for someone else it might be the wrong way. Each person is different in their thinking, no two people will ever agree on everything. If you did agree on everything you would not be different people but the same person.

Those who wish to force their morals on others tread on a slippery slope. You might ask do I think killing with the use of magic is a good thing? My answer is that it really does depend on all the factors of the situation.

I agree that not everyone's good and bad are the same. They will be different to everyone and that is what makes life exciting. What would it be like if we all thought the exact same way all the time? How boring would that get? We all have different opinions and that does make for good debating. Not everyone believes in "harm none" or "Three Fold" and not everyone will agree about ethics. In my own opinion I do believe in ethics and I do believe that we need to be very careful in what we do. Like I said before if we get greedy what will be left? Exactly Nothing

KTS, Hey, I agree with you. I teach students in a seminary, each student has different strengths and weaknesses. Not every situation dealing in magic is the same. There are guidelines regarding morals, ethics, etc. But... there are always exceptions. I try to not tie myself down, and teach my students to be flexable. All I am saying is that each action we take has consequences, not necessarily bad consequences. The word actually means " that which follows as a result of an act " Hey, I am no moralist. I am however pragmatic, and I realize that if I take out some criminal, I will have to deal with consequences, sometimes very surprizing. Of course you don't know me, but my students would find it very amusing if they heard someone describing me as restrictive in acts of magic and otherwise. Rilke

i understand your point kts and in your meaning of human construct i understand i was no where thinking in polarity state (why would i want to dwell there lol) but as said there is always consequences that is what i was trying to get people to understand, not every reaction to your action will be positive nor will it be negative, but! that does not mean you should load the universe with negativity its not needed, from what i have seen and my meaning about this, no one wants to take time to understand structure and understand the balance of things. But yet they only rant "we have free will" yes we have free will but that free will is a teaching in its self, the universe knows best so by free will it is giving an opportunity for us to learn and improve however most people are completely oblivious to what they do or even worse just simply block themselves out to the fact that what they do is wrong.

now we want to debate what is wrong?

one will want to get all technical speaking about how my morals and your morals are different. we know that! so no need to dwell on that, its not the issue we are talking about universal standards which by all means affects us all, and whether you don't want to believe it or not you all have been touched by its effects and no its not just some big stick waiting to spank you on the butt lol its simply part of learning that is what karma/universal law is, its standards that teach us so we can move and grow in our spiritual lives. once we understand that we tend to realize that we are move free! so you now wondering now grumbling and saying "i am obeying the universe but iam free? i am not doing whatever i want, well to counteract that the best i can tell you, is when you understand the law like that you will not think they way you did before, as i mentioned before this is not my law nor is it man's law so you cannot put man's (third density) thinking to it in the first place.

Not following the laws/guidelines is disrespectful to the universe/nature cause it keeps balance and going against the balance is simply negative and for lack of a better word wrong, why is it wrong? cause when you interfere with balance you interfere with everything in that balance so you don't only affect your self but so many other things in that balance.

How is disrespectful?

i will use a more man's approach on this point, if you enter into someone's home/what ever place another owns aren't you expected to follow the rules of it? well magick/energy is the universe's home and you are supposed to follow its laws as simple as that other wise it can take action against you, this may sound odd to you the way i said it, but its the simplest way i can put it, so do we have free will? yes we do but free will does not mean you should go helter skelter causing destruction like your name is "dynamite"

Ah, but pure, balance has both positive and negative. So going all "helter skelter" balances out the overly positive someone else puts out.

As said, for every action, there is a equal and opposite reaction. No one said that the reaction happens to you. If you make a positive move in the universe with magick, balance and even the idea of universal karma says, a equal and opposite reaction must happen.

So while the idea of "be careful of your actions, do go doing anything really bad" may be attractive to those who see it as such, it would actually go completely against and break the laws of the universe and karma is nothing opposite happened.

I often wonder if the reason so many new to the craft can not understand what the more experienced practitioners have to say is because they lack the maturity, understanding, and self control that is needed to practice the craft. I have seen to often those who start in the craft and want to bring about magical workings that are either to advanced for them or things that have never been accomplished on this plane. Even with my advice that their actions will be folly, I have witnessed the results of their efforts. Sometimes this resulted in a mess to clean up, other times it was the self esteem that that needed to be repaired. There are some things that you just can't teach another, it is something that has to be experienced. I believe that even ones' ethics and morals is something that evolves over time. Through practice, growth, and experience with magic does one truly gain their ethics and morals in magic. Weather it is researching and cross referencing information, experiences while practicing the craft, or listening to the advice of elders there is a way to get the information needed on what it is a person needs to know and understand.

I have personally enjoyed this thread and hope to see more like it. It has been to long in these forums without some interesting discussions about the craft.

well sam to you i must say you are a smart woman to whom i enjoy speaking with but i must say in terms of balance when we go into a unity form of consciousness its completely positive! i know it sounds one sided and it is difficult to express but the dual nature you knew before no longer exist and thats simply universal law on many levels.

as for kts i understand that there are things people must learn from experience but we as advanced practitioners should never just leave the younger ones aside not that i am saying you are doing that but there are many people that do this simply because they are to tired to care etc. But we must never stop in giving them the guidelines, it is up to them to make the choice sadly and i will never say try to make it for them but they should be "schooled" to take the consequences of their actions not rant and rave "why me"? and blame us for their wrong actions. Mistakes is part of growing, the best thing to do is to provide them with the information cause allot of them have not even seen threads such as these before all i ever see now is "how to summon a demon"

as for demons here is my take on this. NO child is supposed to summoning them PERIOD! they have no need to summon them. People are being quite misleading with the term "good demons" I don't want to go into the human construct of good and evil but i must say no demon is "good" so to speak. They do what they do via convenience and some form of loyalty, yes they are loyal but somewhat don't mistake it for goodness cause if they had a choice they will kick you and see about themselves. They serve a purpose in a world of duality and if one is mature enough and do use their services with all precautions inplace fine, but don't mislead people with the idea of making friends time and time again young children from this same website make that mistake and get themselves in trouble then people blame them, but are they really to blame? he was simply following the words of "trusted casters"

Be careful when you say no demon is good. One person's demon is another person angel. These creatures have their place and those who work with them are not evil. As for the lack of balance you talk about when we enter a unity form of consciousness I disagree. It all depends on the person when they are in a unity form of consciousness. I personalty know that when I enter I not only have positive and negative aspects I see them form others as well. It is great that you can be in the bright light pure. Kudos to you and your positive ways. I however reside in the twilight and there I am exposed to both both no matter what state if consciousness I am in.

ahh i do understand but lets not mistake transdimensional creatures with demons lol, but i must say there is no imbalance with unity consciousness since both dark and light are one (i don't know why didn't mention this before) and that light is everything cause we are the light, not just light as in its meaning but we are part everything manifested in the universe (mainly meaning parts of the higher consciousness) but just hope people will be mindful of what they do its the responsible thing to do.