The answer to that is simple--we are merely an animal on a planet. And destructive ones at that! They don't need to talk to us. They don't need us. If the human race went extinct, the Earth would be better off. We are destroying the very thing they created. We are selfish and have a superiority complex like no other. They take the time to communicate with those that show respect to them and what they do. Remember, Zeus never wanted us to have fire. Yahweh never wanted us to eat from the tree of knowledge.
Humans sacrificed to the gods and bowed to them, why? If not to get on their good side, what?. Yahweh demanded the first born sons to be sacrificed to him! Imagine how many baby boys were burned in his name? Odin loved human sacrifice too. Doesn't that tell you something about the nature of deities?
The modern view of deities is not what it was. And people wonder where their god is or why their prayers aren't answered? Because they think gods serve them and love them and want what's best for them. Reality check, humans aren't the center of the universe. Not even the most important life form on Earth. In fact, bees and trees are more important and look at what we do to them. Where's the love? Perhaps the day we actually respect creation again...So probably never.
I never said anything about prayers. Although I can see what correlation you can make between them and what I am saying, I never meant prayers explicitly. As well, for deities, I think you confuse my questioning for disrespect towards them, when all it is is simple curiosity of their ways. As well, the reason why I would say they would be dependent on us in any way is because of their influence. If humanity was so unimportant, then what keeps them from simply wiping out humanity if they wanted? There are not many gods who would want this in particular, but is there much doubt there are some who would see us as pathetic beings? If there are, than what would keep them from destroying humanity? Granted, they would not rise from the earth and destroy entire cities with their very hands, but they do have influence over parts of this world's nature and its energies. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to say humans are the greatest beings in the universe, as you said, maybe this world would be better off without us, but what I am suggesting is, what if our actions, not physically, nor mentally, but spiritually, has had more consequences, both good and bad, than we could comprehend?
I understand raven, we are only Human they wouldn't want to help us, we are very destructive being, look what the nuke did? However I also see seriphm point, to my experice some spirits do want to help us, maybe not the gods, sephirim you just need to study more, we humans are going down the hill, perhaps the few of us can save it just keep reaserching, blessed be guys ^_^
Personally for me, god created the universe. However, god created us because he loved us and in reality there is now science tahat proves heaven is real, as well as the bible stories that have happened though in later times.
They are an all powerful being. Gods rely on power, unless it's the Christian one. The people make up their gods! Ths meaning there just fake deities or aspects of the powerful deity.
Obviously if I said I knew all the answers, I would be lying or a fool or both. But I'm a philosopher at heart, so here goes my best attempt
If it is true that there is a Source or Creator of the Universe, and they are omnipotent (all powerful) then they would also be required to be omniscient (all knowing). If they are all knowing, then they would have known that the human race had a high probability of doing exactly what it has done. That same Source would also be the Maker to other deities and divine. Just because a higher being has great power and authority doesn't mean they do not have a superior. Some believe there are "turtles all the way up" meaning that the pyramid of creators never ends.
The hardest lesson I've ever learned in life is that perfection only exists as a human concept. It harms more than helps because it is 100% personal perspective.
Just because a deity is higher than us doesn't mean they have the authority to do whatever they want to. If you are monotheistic then you will recognize the continuous battle between the gods/opposing forces that retain the balance. But that balance goes well beyond our tiny planet. But the balance isn't perfect and s*** happens.
The biggest issue with religion is the egocentric nature of it. Our species and our earth are the center of the universe so they say. Even on the world tree we are midgard--"middle earth". But science can now see beyond our galaxy and knows there are countless other planets out there in separate solar systems that are "earth like" and suspect to sustain life. That Creator is a busy bee!
My advice is to live life and enjoy it. Seek happiness and if you are capable, seek truth. But most importantly accept that we don't know and may never know all of the answers. That isn't a bad thing. It's not about faith but humility. And that is the only right direction to learning. We can't grow if we can't see past our own nose.
You'll never know the answers you seek unless you form a relationship with a deity yourself. You'll never observe anything beyond what you feel you know unless you open your mind to the possibility that you are wrong. Say it "I'm wrong". Feels weird right? Say it again "I don't know and that's okay." Now reproach life with the awe of a child and rediscover the truth. But don't learn from people, seek within. That's where you will find your god(s) first and then you will be able to see them in the world around you.
Shaharazahd,
I don't understand what you mean by "god created us because he loved us". I don't understand how anyone could love something that has not been created yet; more logically one would love the idea. Someone who loved the idea of something could end up hating the creation after it has been made.
There has been no scientific evidence of heaven; at least to my knowledge. The closest I know of is Near-Death Experience, and even that falls short. Same goes for the bible stories.
I never asked you in particular for the answers, I simply said these would be my questions. As well, I never said I wasn't open to answers. However, I cannot say I'm wrong, the reason why, I cannot say if it is right. The way I perceive things is that, if it is disproven in its entirety, I will not believe it, and if it is proven true in its entirety, I will believe, however if something is neither, caught in between the two, rather than just accept it as entirely true or false, I will just say one thing, "what if" that is all. What comes after those words are based upon context. For instance, let us say if someone asked me if I believed in a particular god, I do not know if they truly exist, and therefore, I will not say I believe in it, but nor would I say they are entirely false, all I would ask is, "What if this god you speak of exists? Or what if it does not?" Sorry if it seems I am not speaking clearly, so I will say it in a definitive sentence. I will not say if I am wrong or right, because I do not know either. I may not ever know, however, there is no harm in asking questions and attempting to seek the answers, so long as it does not interfere with my life. Now, you say for me to form a bond with a god, yet that proves difficult, as that would have me go somewhat against my nature of not accepting something as true nor false unless one or the other has been proven to me.
The point of saying you're wrong is an exercise in humility and a way to break down assumptions that can cut you off from observing and experiencing more. I do it all the time to myself.
It is human nature to know the answer regardless of whether what we think we know is merely a preconceived notion. The mind is funny in that way. It's why when asking someone questions, you can lead them into answering the way you hope (a police and lawyer trick). If we can't remember something, our minds will even recall false memories just to fill in the blanks.
You'll never discover the answers for yourself if you form a theory without experience. Even with experience, a theory is a guess and should always be open to change. It should never be assumed as correct.
How can you have a theory on gods if you refuse to attempt to connect with one? Why should anyone, including yourself, accept your theory?
By saying to yourself that you do not know, it is a Socrates reference. Socrates said that it was wise to know that you know nothing. Only a fool believes he knows the answers. It's a way of thought that allows you to maintain an ever questioning and observant disposition in a healthy way. If you ever read Socrates, all he ever does is question those that declare that something is truth until another truth emerges from the conversation, usually admittedly by the very person that originally thought they were right.
When working with senses beyond the common five, it's very important to remain without presumptions because it's very easy to convince the mind through our doubts, fears, hopes, and desires. Remaining open isn't the same as being gullible. It's about seeing reality as closely as possible to what it is by eliminating all resistance to new discovery. As easy as we can make ourselves believe something, we can also make ourselves doubt something, denying it to the point of practically being blind. Which one's worse? They are both equally as misleading.
I made this theory for the same reason I have others, I do not care who accepts them or their reason for doing so, I simply make them to share thoughts, and hear other's ends. The reason I defend it in anyway is to see if more information is to be had, not to mention hear what I may have had wrong in this theory. As well, I don't want to sound overdramatic, but forming a bond with a god isn't something that I can or would do, I theorize on them because they are just one variation of many thoughts on my mind. What prevents me from forming a bond with a god, as well, is that I'm honestly afraid to. I will keep it to myself, but a personal reason is what prevents me, and no, its not a kind of pride or selfish want. Under all other conditions, I am actually happy to learn and open myself to new knowledge. I thank you for what you have helped me learn so far. It is actually generous of you to give the knowledge you have. As for what you said about me not having much experience, you are right. Sorry if I seemed unappreciative at first, it is a good debate however. Also, your keeping of composure is well appreciated. One thing I am still curious of, what exactly can come out of the astral plane to current knowledge?
