Shapeshifting is used in ap and other 'plans' and so on.
Also its 'shapeshifter Souls' but there is not many og them. (and im not getting into it)
and shapeshifthing in The flesh. That would be a form og mutation. Or a genetic thing.
And to the extend that you gett the ablitys of a werewolf. Or any other 'movie based' inhuman crature.
In the flesh. Good luck.
But you can control your energys and aura. And so on, to make you seem stronger or whatever.
There are some on the topic of shapeshifthing in here. For those that are interested in it. In the interest of learning about it.
If no anatomic changes take place, that's not really much of a shapeshift, is it?
As for what you said, I disagree about how the forums work. I believe the forums are a place for a discussion, that much is obvious, but what goes into the forums is a matter of desired individual input. Besides, I have said facts to support my belief.
Hard for humans to handle large amounts of pain - difficult to keep focused(as would be required during spellcasting) while taking large amounts of pain - scientifically illogical - allot of knowledge most likely required, some of which even scientists may not have - and then there's the fact that the majority of humanity would not be able to gather nor contain the amount of energy necessary to make such changes quickly. If, as was said, the changes would have to happen quickly to keep from someone dieing during those changes I really don't see it as a possibility.
Other reasons to believe it is not possible: no mutated remains have been found(if people tried then people likely died trying, but there's no evidence of that), no full werewolf remains have been found, no pics have or apparently can be provided, no videos have or apparently can be provided, no examples when having met people who made the claims could be given(no show), and oddly enough most of the people I have seen claim to be capable of this also seem to be very immature.
I'm well aware of the possibility of shapeshifting on the astral having done so myself, many things are possible there that are not here, but the astral is not the material. And I refuse to claim something is a possibility when I solidly believe it is not. I am not going to support something that I think is simply silly, unless an individual says he's going to prove me wrong.
As many people here know, I do value knowledge. On topics such as this, I enjoy being proven wrong almost as much as being proven right. I do not enjoy being told I am simply wrong when the person saying so has no proof nor even solid evidence to back up his claim, but I doubt many people do and I understand we all have an equal right to post our beliefs.
The majority of the magickal community may believe it is possible, but centuries ago the majority of Europe believed the world was flat. Eventually, they were proven wrong too.
I find shapeshifthing that's not based on 'in the flesh' more usable. Partly do tho the dificultys. And if ther was a way to go about it in the flesh. I would still prefer the other kind.
And I'm not only refering to astral. But in every contest of the you. On all difrent 'plans of existens'.
So far I know of mental, astral, etheric, emotional, dream, and physical shifting. Etheric and emotional I haven't looked far into first hand. Mental, astral, and dream shifts were all pretty simple. Physical is the only one I don't believe is a general possibility.
Just to clarify in case it wasn't caught, I have been trying to be consistent with saying "for most people" and "in general" when explaining my point of view. I know there are exceptions to nearly every rule. At most though, I think maybe a handful of people might be able to accomplish it and that's if they dedicate their entire lives to this. Perhaps this is something I should have pointed out sooner.
I find shapeshifthing that's not based on 'in the flesh' more usable. Partly do tho the dificultys. And if ther was a way to go about it in the flesh. I would still prefer the other kind.
And I'm not only refering to astral. But in every contest of the you. On all difrent 'plans of existens'.
there are many ways and difrent kinds of shapeshifting. Some are more simulare to ilusions or camelion abilitys. Non the less.
On the phsycological. It's more tricky. And most would do a kind of camelion thing. (like acters that go into the role, and it's my belive. That some have gone so fare that they realy become this person. And so it influence who they are)
some empaths do somthing simulare to shapeshifting. When they adjust to the person they are talking to, and so on.
I don't consider it a "shape" shift unless the shape shifts. What you're talking about with the psychological would be mental shifting. As for the "chameleon" affect, I have heard about that although I haven't tried it. That's just an illusion though, unless it's accompanied by the mental shift I wouldn't really relate it to any type of shifting.
The "facts" You provided are debatable and users are not able to confirm or verify them. Mine on the other hand can easily be checked, and or researched.
All , Peter Stubbs, cryptozology theories on shapeshifting ( scientifically aproved theories, still theories though ) and shapeshifiting being approved by occult authorities and organizations such as the Paranormal Source, Inc., a nonprofit research organization based in the Dallas, Texas area, or Ghost Research Society, based in Chicago, just to name a few.
If You claim You know better than majority of experts ( acknowledged and with credentials ) in esotery and occult, that is fine. But once again , we have no way to confirm Your credentials and licenses If You have them, that is. Therfore If someone in forums seeks information , we can not provide them our personal opinion or belief on the issue regardless on how self-secure we feel, not to use some stronger word .
Would it be unbearable pain or not, would it cause morphologic and anatomic change is highly debatable in terms of science too. That being said, the reasons You provided are logical, but not necessarily true, or agreeable with scientific and occult point of views.
And I repeat I do not try to proove shapeshifting possible, I just provided OFFICIAL inromations on the topic and commented on offer of personal beliefs as answer to specific question. Debate and discussion can be lead in chat, that is why the feature exists. Or in the threads that seek and talk about opinions and beliefs or call for debates.
I think you might be confused about what facts are, because it sounds to me like you're saying you provided the fact that people believe etc etc. Well, here's a fact, I don't. Debate that.
The only way I could see someone shapeshifting to that degree and not experiencing pain would be if they either have brain damage, receive brain damage prior/during the transformation, or have a high amount of adrenaline as a result of the transformation in which case the pain is still there, they simply aren't aware of it. Again, if the body does not experience any anatomic changes then obviously the person didn't shapeshift.
Anatomic changes would include, but perhaps not be limited to, bone structure, organs(including skin), and facial features. If none of those are required for a physical body(meaning the anatomy of a human) shapeshift then I'll just post a pic of me last time I was on the beach and claim I was a werewolf. lol
I'll go back and explain what facts I posted.
"Hard for humans to handle large amounts of pain." This is a fact. Go to any medical institution and ask if it is possible for someone to die from large amounts of pain. If they do not say yes, tell me the name of the place you went so I will know not to go there.
"Difficult to keep focused(as would be required during spellcasting) while taking large amounts of pain." For some people small amounts of pain are no big deal. Allot of people also have a high endurance to pain, especially females who have had kids. However, talk to anyone who is experiencing or has experienced extreme amounts of pain including broken bones, being shot, losing limbs, or even childbirth, and most will tell you it is hard to concentrate on one thing while going through that.
"Scientifically illogical." At least I have yet to see anything scientific stating that it is possible or logical to shapeshift without the aid of technology. If you have seen such a thing, please provide a source.
"Allot of knowledge most likely required, some of which even scientists may not have." In my experience, some basic knowledge of how things work is necessary for spellcasting. It helps to direct the energy right where it's needed. This here is not a fact, but that's why I said "most likely" as opposed to "is" in that sentence.
"Then there's the fact that the majority of humanity would not be able to gather nor contain the amount of energy necessary to make such changes quickly." This is a fact and although there aren't scientists online proclaiming it true nor possibly many occult experts, you can prove it if you have the technology/tools(either or) to read how much energy an individual is holding. I looked into this with the help of a pendulum and found most people, at least around the places I have been which includes several states in the U.S., do not hold allot of energy at one time even when attempting to gather it from external sources including other humans, plant life, wild life, and stars/planets. Obviously I haven't been around the whole world testing everyone I encountered, you might have seen me than or at least heard of me offline, but from those I have tested I do consider this to be a fact. Possibly an unproven fact if others disagree, but a fact nonetheless just as it was a fact the world was round before Columbus sailed around it.
More facts that I listed: No mutated half-werewolf remains were found. Prove me wrong with that, if mutated remains were found the media and many archeologists as well as other scientists would have jumped on that with allot of excitement. No full werewolf remains have been found either, as with the half-werewolf remains unless a full werewolf would look just like a wolf scientists would go crazy for it. Again, no pics, videos, or other forms of proof including transforming in front of the individual have been provided nor apparently can be. If that's wrong too, please provide the proof so we can see it(this to everyone, not just you, Obscurus).
I do not claim to be more experienced, knowledgeable, nor powerful than anyone. Perhaps more experienced than those who are not at all experienced, obviously, and perhaps more knowledgeable than those who know nothing at all, obviously, but I do not go around claiming to know nor be capable of more than anyone else. Other people, such as yourself, tend to bring things like that up during a conversation simply because I stick to my beliefs so strongly until proven wrong even if, at times, those beliefs may seem illogical to others.
If you want to continue this conversation/debate, we can, I don't really mind, but as said it is a waste of time. I have time to spare, but you should know we probably aren't going anywhere with it.
And to wrap up this post, a quote. "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense." -Buddha
To focus on that last paragraph in your last post, Obscurus.
If you're not trying to prove shapeshifting possible, what exactly are you trying to do? You already know that I don't consider your "proof" valid since it looks to me like the only "fact" about it is that it covers another person's or group of people's beliefs. Sure, allot of people thought he was a werewolf, but allot of people also thought the world was flat. Nothing can be proven either way so that doesn't prove nor support any claim at all. You provided a good story. Well done.
I offered my personal beliefs backed by logic and facts regardless of whether or not you want to see that. I wasn't debating prior to your post which mentioned my name nor did I originally post here with the intent to debate anything. The forums are for discussion as much as debate if the threads posted are for that purpose, this one was for answering a question which is what I did. However, discussions come from communication which is exactly what the forums are for and debates often follow when two people disagree and choose to discuss their disagreement in a mature way. Which, I believe, is what we're doing.
As for the chat, I don't care for it much. Aside from this computer being a dieing piece of scrap metal, I don't trust all the mods. I like most of them, I trust most of them, but not all of them. In the chat the mods are not required to give a reason for gagging and I know there's at least one mod that does not like me. While I'm pretty sure there's nothing to worry about, I'd rather stay away from the potential problem and not let it arise instead of go there and risk it. Besides, I multi-task, most likely even if this computer were capable of handling it and I didn't mind being there I wouldn't be able to keep up with any conversation anyways.
