In saying that Dark Emp. you are stating the concept that the universe is it's own living being with full conciousness beyond that of the gods (primal conciousness, not universal conciousness as known by the masses), in saying that you are saying the universe is god because the concept of the prime creator as god is whatever conciousness created reality, nothing wrong with that, but then it brings us back to the question of what was there before the universe? ;)
with every beginning there is an end. and with every ending there is a new beginning. what if old universe create this universe and the process is in cycle. i think without human there is no god and without god there is no human.
All I'm saying is that since it can not be proven it can not be called fact, it is belief.
Took me awhile to dig this up. My poor thread died. :(
"Truth as Perspective"-
http://www.spellsofmagic.com/read_post.html?post=162640
That thread explains what I'm saying here.
"the universe is it's own living being with full conciousness"
Have you looked into Jediism? This is a belief of theirs as well, only "the universe" would be more specifically the Life Energy that flows through the Universe.
In the begining there were forces,mostly devoid of all today know energies.Each force developed into god(conciseness energy),and plain energy(unconsciousness energy).Example of force is khaos,balance,void..
Aside from agreeing with warrior
I have few of mine own thoughts put into this.
At first there was nothingness.The nothingness was neither cold nor warm.Nor light nor dark,it was simply nothing.However it existed,a nothingness is nonexistent matter yet it existed.That paradox created certain focus,from focus space was created.Since nothingness could not sustain all space equally cause of imbalance,lesser unfilled spaced were filed with new energy of void.Void was emptiness.Again imabalance kicked in.From void another darkness spawned,it was suppose to balance the space,that why it was khaos.Khaos is nothing,plain shadow yet has potential to create everything,it was everything yet nothing.
However potential could not come to manifest,so pure force of manifestation was created,lets call it balance.Theres more,but don't feel like writing more.
Its bit confusing but by reflecting on it you see certian raw and relative truth,don't quote it by pieces,because only all of it together make sense.
Most think that everything was build,created because of perfection or prefect being.Opposite to it i believe everything came into being via imperfection,imbalance.
Welcome back Nex. Just out of curiosity although this is irrelevant to the topic here, are you still working on whatever it was your were planning to do to my Soul?
What you two are saying defies itself with the facts of reality and that is why I have trouble believing it. Like every other *theory* it can not be proven and what's more this theory involves self-contradicting facts. For example nothing being something, nothing is not something that is exactly why it is called nothing. Nothing is nonexistent because if it were existent it would be something. Furthermore everything has a temperature because every object must be made of microscopic atoms and the movement of those atoms is what defines the temperature; so fast moving atoms means the object is hot and slow moving atoms means it is cold. If the atoms do not move at all then it is considered to be at sub-zero temperature; thus it still has temperature.
Then perhaps you wouldn't mind clarifying for that someone, Confucius? I'm sure he/she could argue the point regardless of how it's made.
As I said before; my point is that you can NOT give indisputable proof that this THEORY is correct. If you could then it would be in Science books by now and being taught as the truth. It is YOUR truth, maybe, but not necessarily THE truth. Earlier in this thread I gave a link to another thread called "Truth as Perspective" and that thread explains what I am saying here.
Does it occur to you that theories make science book all the time? The Evolution of man can't be proved or disproved and yet it seems more likely than the idea that we were formed from dirt and life breathed into us.
The beginning and the end don't matter as much anyway, as the simple fact that we are given a beginning and an end. We waste so much time questioning theories because we need a truth, and still where do we sit?
What if it were as simple as that truth is what we make/made it to be?
If you were naught at the beginning then why try to think one thing or another about the beginning? If you are naught at the end, the end sure won't care.
You are something if not everything or nothing, now. Why is this not where focus lies.
Regardless, though, if the mind can't make it past a logical linear point of view, perhaps this is the wrong place.
Maybe nothing is not something, and something may not be nothing, but one things for sure...these are just words.
I appear to be something, however in the scheme of things I may be nothing. Something that serves no purpose, and at the same time perhaps I am everything simply because purpose can not ask to be served. If I am to say that I am not me, it doesn't make me any less me, but what does make me not me is my belief that I am everyone and everything. It doesn't matter that in your eyes I may be nothing because in mine I am everything and nothing. The many and the few. The many and the one.
Fact, fiction, nor even belief are the enemy here.
Perception is the enemy. Kill it.
