I am a skeptic, but I am open minded to all this. Let me say though I am a scientist, and not a pseudo science paranormal investigator but a actual one that works in a lab and studies it for a living.
I had heard that people supposedly have encounters physical and otherwise with "demons" and fairies and ghosts and the like. I would like to meet a other worldly entity if they actually exist. Sparing a Science lesson, in Physics we believe there are over 11 Dimensions, and I am trying to investigate the gap between hard science and the paranormal as I think that these "demons" and such are actually beings from other dimensions if they exist.
That being said, I realize people will tell me trying to meet succubi or other such entities is dangerous, but I am resolved to try in the name of Science. If the proof exists these things are real, they can be studied and victims or others who believe wont have to live with the stigma of being considered crazy for claiming to see these things.
So if anyone would like to discuss this and help with my investigation I'd be appreciative. I have tried little on my own, and I feel silly because nothing happens.
Your problem is your attitude. You say you're open minded but you keep saying "if." You're taking a mindset of you'll believe it when you see it, when people are actually far better at seeing (or not seeing) what they believe. Until you truly open your mind, no one will be able to help you. Imo.
Re: Is Summoning Real? By: WhiteRav3n / Knowledgeable
Post # 3 Jun 17, 2012
To make a spiritual being manifest to a point where a skeptic such as yourself can see them is dangerous because it will then be capable of manipulating physical things around you. If you want proof of spiritual beings, don't summon, go to a place known for physical spiritual activity where spirits already have the energy to do so on a smaller level.
I can see, hear, and sense spirits because I have the open mind to do so. I have an open mind to it because my childhood home was a hotspot. I have had books fly off shelves, pictures fly off walls, seen bags rattling in front of my eyes with nothing there and no wind, seen doornobs turn and doors open, heard voices, screams, walking, even pounding in rooms where no one was (in a single family house where these things couldn't be explained by anything other than spirits). I've seen people that vanished through walls in front of me. Shadows with nothing to cause them. I can go on. And I didn't experience these things alone, there were others with me on many occasions who witnessed the same thing.
The point is, if you're a skeptic the only way to break that is by being confronted by an experience you cannot explain. Then and only then will you be able to open your mind and see, hear, and sense spirits when they are not at the level of manifestation.
And I doubt highly that you're a scientist, but that really doesn't matter.
By the way, it's daemon, fae(ries), and low level spirits...but all in all they are still intelligent beings with emotions just like any of us and shouldn't be treated as some sort of science experiment. The day science finds proof of the existence of spirits and magick will be a sad day indeed. They will try to use it in some twisted way (and you know they will). And magick practioners like us will be considered dangerous and there will be new laws made to control us. Not to mention the horrible things they will do "in the name of science" that will harm this world and the next. So I hope they NEVER discover it and continue to laugh at us.
On the slight chance that you are a scientist, please keep your findings to yourself. The money isn't worth the price the world will pay for trifling with such things.
I am a scientist, but your belief in that does not matter. You are right, I am a skeptic too, but I do want to find out the truth.
I do not mean to scare some of you but on the forefront of Physics, Dimensions beyond our own is what we are trying to access and investigate, which means if these beings are actually from these higher dimensions Science will find them eventually and even be able to look into their own realms. I will consider what you said however, as you are probably right. Conventional science believes all humans cannot see beyond our own dimension and if you can see these creatures truly, that would be a cause for more investigation and indeed if somehow people have the ability to summon and interact with these beings without technology, that would be considered dangerous.
At the same time, people will take this seriously, and if someone says things like they are being stalked by demons they wont get thrown into a asylum but we will be able to actually help.
Still,I will take some advice and visit paranormal locations and try to see these things for myself.
Honestly, I meant no offense, Its just difficult for me to accept things I've never seen or understand yet. Some of my colleagues think its silly to chase ghosts and demons but Im willing to see if there is any truth to all this.
"I do not mean to scare some of you but on the forefront of Physics, Dimensions beyond our own is what we are trying to access and investigate, which means if these beings are actually from these higher dimensions Science will find them eventually and even be able to look into their own realms. I will consider what you said however, as you are probably right. Conventional science believes all humans cannot see beyond our own dimension and if you can see these creatures truly, that would be a cause for more investigation and indeed if somehow people have the ability to summon and interact with these beings without technology, that would be considered dangerous. "
I highly doubt that science will ever fully discover such dimensions and look into such realms . Because , such things are beyond the ability of technology , no matter how advanced , for them to peer into . The only way to access such things is to train your personal power , raising your vibrations and go to such realms on your own individually or perhaps asking for a being to guide you there .
And even if science takes on that outlook and does that itself , they would be unable to provide substantial evidence and only be able to give personal recounts of it . You don't and cannot access higher realms via technology . Take this from someone who have studied it well enough to explain it to you .
People gain that ability to interact , summon , invite and invoke them via study and training their power . Most people who studied well and trained well would not be in danger with proper protection and etc . It is not extremely dangerous and bad things can be evaded with proper caution
"Conventional science believes all humans cannot see beyond our own dimension and if you can see these creatures truly, that would be a cause for more investigation and indeed if somehow people have the ability to summon and interact with these beings without technology, that would be considered dangerous. "
What you say is correct for the most people . However , people who train and practices can easily see them , either with their minds eye or their physical eyes . Seeing them with the physical eyes is rare in my opinion . We can also use our non physical eyes to see them , for example when you are doing shamanic traveling . I myself do not know how to explain this part to you well , so I am albeit fumbling for words here . It is something that you have to experience yourself to fully comprehend . To know it truly , one does not study it but delve into it.
I think people see them by raising their vibrations to a high enough extent that their senses extend out of this dimension , If you get what I mean ..dang , it's hard to explain.
To spell it in simple terms is to know that you are a part of the first ever writing of which the spell has been set it is humans who have the power of magick and it is just a state of mind to play out your fantasy thats in the writing yet there are some witches who know this and cast bad spells mainly companys who are at the forefront to learn new spells.
"a man of science is motivated to discovery by his very sense of wonder, and yet how sad that this man who calls himself logical is often the last to recognize the essence of ritual magick." -->>from sir anton lavey (satanic bible)..
it will be hard for a servant of science to believe in such paranormal things because scientists and the likes only believe on things that can be quantified.. they are not satisfied on the proofs by just mere explanation without quantification because doing such things will be like jumping to conclusions.. scientists only believes if they have proven it with their five senses but sadly, not all things can be explained by the five senses alone.. these are how a scientist differs from a magician/or any word you call it..
if you really want to explore the unexplored, don't just rely on things you considered helpful in your science experiments.. sometimes, it just better to feel it than to find ways explain it because oftentimes, you will be mislead by your own conclusions..