6 years of failure w/ AP

I have been practicing magick as a whole for about 10 or so years now..

At this point, I feel stagnant, and everything is coming back to my inability to Astral Project.

It is preventing me from fully perceiving spirits, preventing me from progressing any further.

I have tried EVERY method I have found! From Lucid Dreaming (another thing I have difficulty with, but have been able to do sporadically, just by awakening within a dream randomly)

I have trouble mainintaining focus when I'm trying to AP. My mind wanders quite quickly, and it's a little while before somethign clicks and I realize that I have lost focus.

I achieved the vibrational state only once in my life, and that was before I knew that the vibrational state is part of the AP process - so it scared me and after a while of intense vibration, I woke myself up. I have NEVER gotten that far again.

Now it seems, every time I try, it seems I'm trying too hard to keep my mind awake, and in the process my body doesn't relax enough. Or, I'm too relaxed, too loose, and I fall asleep.

The one time I achieved the vibrations, I simply just layed in bed, and let my mind wander, thinking that if I just let my mind wander while my body falls asleep, eventually I'll just come out of my body. Attempting this method again and again has yielded no results though!

I feel like I'm being PREVENTED from APing. I feel like I've lost the ability, or something! 6 years of failure is making me incredibly frustrated!

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You say your mind wanders to much? Meditation, meditation, meditation.

You seem a bit frustrated relax. Last time you woke up in the vibration because of fear. That fear is keeping you from getting even further. Your chakras could be out of balance too. Just relax

A bit frustrated is an understatement! I'm about ready to tear my hair out! After reading about Astral Projection almost immediately after snapping myself out of the vibrational state, I learned the vibrational state is part of the whole experience. So I immediately tried to AP again.. 6 years later, still completely unable to even reach the vibrational state again. I can't say it's due to fear, because I practice black magick, and fear just isn't part of my personality. I don't fear demons in any way, I don't fear anything, I'm very excited about exploring out of body.

I suspect my chakras are out of balance, however, almost every article or post I find in relation to chakra balancing states that you should be able to discern which chakras need work by visualizing them and finding darkened spots and what have you. I seem to be incapable of doing this. I have no idea how to tell which chakras need work.

I have come across some very interesting balancing methods, and the best one I have found involves starting from the Crown chakra and working down, then coming up from there. The purpose being that starting from the crown, which is the very infusion of divine energy, working down brings that divine energy in to all the chakras, rather than starting from the ground up!

I am going to attempt this balancing - this was also recommended by my familiar spirit.

All I can say is; don't worry about it. Everybody approaches this at their own pace. 6 years is nothing to feel bad about. Be thankful you've experienced anything!

I must ask, alongside obviously meditating, have you tried something like guided hypnosis? Not so much to get you to Astral Project, but just to calm you down and let out some stress. Can you also list any literature you've read/are reading on the matter? It'll help to give a better idea for where you're getting your guidance from. Ta.

I'd just Google "Astral Projection" and "Chakra balancing" -

The chakra balancing method I learned recently is EA Koetting's method

Failure will be a failure if and only if you surender..


Failure is just the stepping stone to success..



Frustration and fear are negative energies.. the more negative energy you have in your system, the stronger your ties will be on the material world, the harder for you to astral project. if you want to achieve what you want, purify yourself from negativities.. cleanse your chakra points, before aiming for a more advanced technique.-always with the basic.. remember, you won't be able to go upstairs if you don't take the first step..

And you said that you are about 10yrs practicing magick, you should know how to troubleshoot firsthand.. 10yrs of experience is actually a long journey now, you should know how to apply what you've known for these past 10yrs or so..

--anyways, a brighter chakra will help you more to achieve what you want..

Hello, I am a newbie so I am sorry fir not being a help. I have a question however. I have the same struggles. My mind wanders and I find it hard to visualise and meditate. I haven't done any practical as yet, except a self initiation ritual. But I won't do anything else until I know enough.
I feel my chakras are either unbalanced and blocked. I reckon this is the reason for my "blindness" in meditation and visualisation.
Have you got any tips on how to cleanse and align the chakras? I would really appreciate any help.
Thank you

What meditation techniques do you use somtimes its just about finding what fits you

Well, if I might recommend some literature then, which you might find either in physical books or ebooks?

"Astral Dynamics" - Robert Bruce

"The Projection of the Astral Body" - Sylvan Muldoon

"Astral Travel" - Gavin and Yvonne Frost

These are three books that I've found particularly useful in my studies of AP. The Sylvan Muldoon book is a particular fancy; he has a couple of other works on Astral Projection, which are more along the lines of testimonies and case studies, which are also rather hard to come by in some cases, but stick with the one I've mentioned and you'll definitely benefit the most.

Of course, if you can get your hands on the three books by Robert Monroe, that may help you greatly as well, as he's generally considered to be the godfather of modern AP interest.

Honestly, books might seem boring to some people, but they are absolutely invaluable if you want to progress further.

Might I also suggest, to both you and Stella, that perhaps you focus *less* on Chakras? There are people I know who've never focused on Chakras, or even really believe in them, and they still claim that they can AP, which seems to tell me that the work on Chakras can be entirely unnecessary. Put more focus on your level of concentration, your techniques, playing around with different meditations and visualizations, and overall, your relaxation more than anything else. Oh, and patience. You must have patience!